So, starting in 2010 Fisher Price re-released their Music Box Record Player, in a classic-toy version that doesn't work like the original. I got one, so I'm gonna take it apart https://t.co/DytUrgzlCj
The original one was made from 1971-1983, and didn't require batteries.
You wound up the knob, and a releasing spring would drive the record under the head. https://t.co/uoaI4tSq5C
the original discs were a bunch of concentric circles with little indents on them. I'm not 100% sure but I think this basically worked like a standard music box, just with a disc instead of a cylinder https://t.co/Ny764HvCks
pictures from This Old Toy which has a lot of good info:
https://t.co/TgJU5IlxbS
The back of my box. This is definitely a Different Thing, but they could have maybe made it slightly clearer that it is. https://t.co/08yBzuQeh0
The first hint it's 1000% different is the instructions which tell you to put batteries in it.
The original toy did not take batteries: it didn't need them. https://t.co/bDS18NwNLI
Remember I said it came back in 2010? Well, this one is from 2014, so they must have made some changes https://t.co/VGAzrwdMEp
So you put it on, and... nothing happens. https://t.co/mE58JZb9RW
Is there an on-switch? Nope! just a volume switch.
So the original had a knob you used to wind the spring, right? But this one shouldn't need that, it has batteries, so it must be electronic!
Well... Kinda. https://t.co/W4WVEn6Fcb
it turns out that knob is still used to wind a spring, which makes the disc spin.
And the spring has to be wound for the music to play, so here it is: https://t.co/YijjUsihiJ
there's just one minor problem:
IT'S ALL LIES
So I went and got some duct tape and taped down the disc. It cannot spin at all. I tested by cranking up the spring and yep, no disc spinnage happens. Obviously if the disc can't spin, there should be no music! https://t.co/70GMObIvJT
oh look it plays just fine. https://t.co/yCV5gwArKu
So yeah. The original one required you to crank it up to spin the disc, because spinning the disc was vital to the operation of the original music box.
The modern "classic" one requires you to crank it up, because it won't start playing until you've cranked it up.
it doesn't care if the disc is spinning.
SO OBVIOUSLY it's time to open it up
oh my god
ok so this thing is hard to photograph inside because a lot of pieces are soldered together or ultrasonically welded but I'm going to try. https://t.co/pWoVepPDtD
So first of all, the only smarts in this thing is this one blobbed chip.
This PC is labeled 1697-04, 2020.5.26 Rev:00
This presumably handles detecting which song to play, when to play it, and generates all the audio off some internal ROM https://t.co/wDIpceyk6F
This thing is connected to two "is it spinning?" sensors.
First, there's 3 blobs on the wind-up knob, so the CPU can tell when you're cranking it up. So it knows to wake up and start playing when that happens.
But how does it know when to stop? https://t.co/jbc32390q0
Well there's a similar sensor on the output of the spring. The geared output of the spring hits this little sensor, even if the disc has stopped spinning (like if some asshole taped it still). So it knows to play until it stops getting pulses here https://t.co/lCAHGzLLC4
That same gear hooks into the bottom side of the record player platter, and it gets turned by the unwiding spring https://t.co/ZaeDH8VBS0
Other things: well, there's the little speaker that plays the music... https://t.co/RpsjBRhROc
And this 5-pin cable that goes into the record player arm, which somehow detects what disc is there. https://t.co/yO2Tg4FGDp
anyway are you ready for the "oh my god" moment?
ok so they need a spring that can be wound up, and it can't go too fast. They'll need some kind of speed limiter on that, and unlike the ones used in things like toaster ovens, it needs to be relatively silent, and not make a ticking noise.
So where can they get all that, for cheap?
SURPRISE! IT'S A FUCKING MUSIC BOX https://t.co/mIqhLXOJ5V
They pulled out the tines so it won't make any noise, and they attached a gear to the end so they could extract the mechanical motion from it, but fundamentally this is just a mechanical music box.
You've got a spring on the left, and a speed regulator on the right https://t.co/7gh6SAlX2j
And some plastic gearing to adjust the speed, not that that really matters here https://t.co/0mnkybJvvg
But here's the funniest thing: this isn't just a generic music box shell that they abused into being the wind up part here... this is an actual music box.
IT HAS A SONG ON IT https://t.co/MMFwZoU7FZ
so this "10 song" toy actually has a secret 11th song encoded into it that you can't hear because the tines were removed!
lemme go to aliexpress, type in "music box mechanism", click the first result, and... yeah that looks like the same model. https://t.co/X4WNQGFuVS
so I could order this one for 5$ and then attach it to this one, and find out what the song is!
or I could just take pictures as it turns and let someone try to translate those into notes. that'd be easier.
less fun, but easier
So I'm not remotely musically inclined so I can't really do this, but if anyone wants to get out a musical keyboard and try to transcribe this and figure out what it sounds like, here's a full rotation of the cylinder. https://t.co/UyOX2B4ru7
in the meantime I ordered one of the compatible music boxes and it'll be here monday, so I'll be able to record a video if it playing then
Anyway let's continue the teardown.
The player arm is a pain to get off without cutting cables, so I did https://t.co/1H0UJy7ymE
It's got 4 little buttons on it, which get pushed in by the groves on the disc https://t.co/v9uCxoZgpW
4 buttons implies 2⁴ possible songs, or 16.
There's only 10 variations used with this player, meaning there may be 6 SECRET SONGS
Inside the arm is just one little PCB https://t.co/9n1eatb0DT
It's just 4 little switches.
Labeled 1697-10 REV:00
TYF10.10.30 https://t.co/fZMxHI0lUp
They're tiny and hard to focus on but they're just little microswitches. https://t.co/BZqOVE7HlF
Looks like the brown cable is the common, and the other 4 wires get connected to it based on which pins are down https://t.co/6jZmWIS0Ym
ok the song on the cylinder, as pointed out by several people, is definitely fur elise.
Compare my video to the one from this video:
https://t.co/L7htkbBLNP
I'm currently working on hooking up a test rig so I can enumerate the songs
WHICH WIRE DO I CUT?! https://t.co/CEj75RtO3d
this isn't how it works but it SHOULD BE
https://t.co/P9PLiCFDvK
I should have recorded each of the discs beforehand.
now I need a shazam but for nursery rhymes
I found a video of playing all of them, but it's interesting: it's the new version (with the batteries) but it works differently from mine! on this one, the yellow button is an on/off switch, but on mine it's merely decorative
https://t.co/HMN8O4ifth
also they have the same songs but they're on different colored discs
ok so I haven't fully worked out the coding but I can confirm there don't seem to be any Hidding Songs.
The coding is:
4 binary bits, but it has to have 2 or 3 bits set.
so 0000 and 1111 are out, as are all 4 single-bit entries
which works out to 10 possible combinations, and they use them all
here's my spreadsheet. https://t.co/W5qKqZH62o
Here's how it works. You've got 4 ridges, and you add up the ones that are present.
2+4+8 = 15, and so this is song 15 on the spreedsheet https://t.co/nyeGcRn5ar
compare with farmer in the dell: here it's 1+2+4=7. https://t.co/Rr9CVaVDcF
but yeah. there's 4 rings which are either present or not, and 2 guard rings at the outside
the device doesn't care if you change it while it's playing, but this means you could 3D print a special disc which has all 10 valid patterns on it, and then every time you start it, it would randomly play one
when my 3d printer is working again I'll see if I can put this back together and do that.
correction: twinkle twinkle little star is 14, not 15.
next question: how hard would it be to stuff our own MP3 player in there and do arbitrary songs?
I thought I had some mp3 player boards that just took a USB drive but if so, I can't find them right now.
But I've got two of these MP3 trigger devices, which'll play MP3s off a microSD card https://t.co/KopEJuiYq2
I found the other MP3 player while looking for a microcontroller to drive it. it seems to have a bit more volume so I'll probably use it. I'm not sure how I control it though https://t.co/ATOUkB5lH4
That took longer than it should, and the way it works is quite janky, and in trying to make it work on the old mp3 board I ended up over-amplifying the MIDI-to-MP3, but whatever. it works. https://t.co/FsETMcZgVU